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Business
The spreadsheet that saved my bakery
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Founder, Masa Bakehouse
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Craft
Why the second album is always harder
Jonah Halverson
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Songwriter
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Career
Getting fired was the best thing for my career
Marcus Bell
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Product lead
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138
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Learning
Learning to code at 52
Rahul Natarajan
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Software engineer
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137
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Business
Selling the company and missing it
Owen Park
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Founder, Northfold
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Career
How to say no to a dream job
Sara Lindqvist
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Architect
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Hosted by two people who started over.
Maya left law at 34 to make documentaries. Daniel closed his first startup and drove a cab for a year before building his second. Every week they sit down with someone in the middle of their own rewrite.
Since 2022 · Recorded in Brooklyn
Maya Cohen
Filmmaker, former lawyer
Daniel Osei
Two-time founder
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